CircleID: Comments Latest comments posted on CircleID tag:circleid.com,2002:comments http://www.circleid.com/images/logo_rss.gif http://www.circleid.com/images/logo_rss_icon.gif Subscribe with My Yahoo!Subscribe with NewsGatorSubscribe with My AOLSubscribe with BloglinesSubscribe with NetvibesSubscribe with GoogleSubscribe with Pageflakes RE: From Toad to Princess - New TLDs Are No Magical Wand in the Kingdom of Search Engines (Bill Hartzer) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9074.10920 2015-08-08T11:21:24-08:00 Bill Hartzer Christopher Hofman Laursen, I don't think I ever said or meant to imply that Google gives keyword value to the right of the dot.

What I'm saying is that ANY url has the same chance to rank as any other URL. It could be the domain name, it could be an actual page or file (such as a .PDF file) that ranks.

If you want to rank for "buy gold" and people link to www.buy.club then Google will potentially rank it for "buy gold".

If you DO have a keyword rich domain, including one that has a keyword in the extension, then it's more likely that people will link to you using those keyword(s). So that's why you're ranking.

Link | Posted on Aug 08, 2015 11:21 AM PDT by Bill Hartzer

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RE: From Toad to Princess - New TLDs Are No Magical Wand in the Kingdom of Search Engines (Christopher Hofman Laursen) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9074.10919 2015-08-07T05:06:36-08:00 Christopher Hofman Laursen So what you're saying is that Google actually gives keyword value to the right side of the dot. That's a pretty important finding. Meaning if you want to rank for buy gold, then if people link to buy.club using the anchor text buy.club Google will read it as buy gold?

Link | Posted on Aug 07, 2015 5:06 AM PDT by Christopher Hofman Laursen

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RE: From Toad to Princess - New TLDs Are No Magical Wand in the Kingdom of Search Engines (Bill Hartzer) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9074.10918 2015-08-06T09:23:09-08:00 Bill Hartzer Christopher Hofman Laursen, just like I mentioned, it's NOT the domain name itself that is giving the boost to the coffee.club rankings. It's the fact that the anchor text used is boosting the ranking. A lot of the anchor text used is the site's URL, which contains their keywords, that helps rankings.

So, if you have a keyword rich domain (.com or even a new extension) then it just helps--people will link to you with your preferred keywords.

Link | Posted on Aug 06, 2015 9:23 AM PDT by Bill Hartzer

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RE: From Toad to Princess - New TLDs Are No Magical Wand in the Kingdom of Search Engines (Christopher Hofman Laursen) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9074.10917 2015-08-05T22:33:21-08:00 Christopher Hofman Laursen Fully agree, Bill, but can you explain the case of coffee.club, where it does seem that Google ranked them on the term "coffee club" solely due to the domain name? An early experiment?

http://blog.europeandomaincentre.com/google-reads-coffee-club-as-coffee-club/

Link | Posted on Aug 05, 2015 10:33 PM PDT by Christopher Hofman Laursen

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RE: From Toad to Princess - New TLDs Are No Magical Wand in the Kingdom of Search Engines (Bill Hartzer) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9074.10916 2015-08-05T16:01:35-08:00 Bill Hartzer Interesting article--I'm glad that you brought these issues up. It turns out that this isn't the first time that Google has publicly made a statement on how their organic search engine algorithm deals with the new extensions. First time for an actual blog post about it that we have all paid attention to. Google's Matt Cutts addressed this issue in a YouTube video back in 2012, nearly three years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldFPcJZulXQ and their stance hasn't really changed, which isn't unexpected.

All domain names and URLs are treated the same from the beginning. It only makes sense for Google to do that, from an SEO perspective. Google doesn't need to give any preference to certain extensions, as the key ranking factors are not related to the domain name itself: the quality of the content on the and off-page or off-site factors. That doesn't mean that a keyword rich domain name won't help rankings, though. If you have a keyword rich domain name or new extension, then other sites tend to mention your site, refer to your site, and use keywords to describe your site. It's those type of factors that could ultimately influence rankings, not any preference that Google might give "just because" you have a keyword rich new extension or domain.

Certain domain name extensions that require domain owners meet certain qualifications isn't necessarily Google's issue, either. Other websites could choose to only link to certain websites with high standards (like an Attorney directory only listing .attorney sites). It's not Google's decision, but Google's algorithm may tend to really like that particular directory. It's not Google directly deciding on the preference of .attorney domain names or sites with that extension.

When it comes to PPC, Google AdWords, and keyword preferences of Google AdWords, the Memorable Domains study is helpful, but not necessarily relevant to this article. What's more interesting is the research that Globe Runner has done to study the effects keyword rich new extensions versus .com domains: https://globerunner.com/com-vs-new-gtld-domain-names-8-months-later/ that shows the results of testing .COM versus the new extensions.

The Domain Name Association has recently released a white paper about SEO and Domain Names that addresses several of these issues, and moving to a dot brand domain.

Finally, the statement "Not a single brand has paid the $185,000 ICANN application fee"… is untrue, as I recall Barclay's bank already using a .barclays domain name, and several others that I won't mention.

Link | Posted on Aug 05, 2015 4:01 PM PDT by Bill Hartzer

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RE: From Toad to Princess - New TLDs Are No Magical Wand in the Kingdom of Search Engines (Christopher Hofman Laursen) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9074.10915 2015-08-05T00:23:52-08:00 Christopher Hofman Laursen I don't think we should put too much into official Google statements. Over the last years Google favours brands over non brands in the SERPs. Think up five major brands in any industry and try to do a Google search for a "purchase intent" keyword (e.g. "Book a trip") and you will see brands, brands and brands on page 1.
Dot brand is only one more signal to Google that this is a serious brand, so I'm certain that changing domain is a win. While it's the right thing to do long term, don't forget that there are people in every organisation putting their jobs on the line when doing the switch - why fix something which isn't broken - so it does take some b.... to make the move.

Link | Posted on Aug 05, 2015 12:23 AM PDT by Christopher Hofman Laursen

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RE: Out of .Africa - Process Failures Don't Change the Facts (Kevin Murphy) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9063.10914 2015-07-31T18:48:12-08:00 Kevin Murphy Its very annoying that the comment threads on CircleID are so limited.

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2015 6:48 PM PDT by Kevin Murphy

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RE: Out of .Africa - Process Failures Don't Change the Facts (Kieren McCarthy) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9063.10913 2015-07-31T15:00:23-08:00 Kieren McCarthy In that retraction - which is unsigned - it says:

"The AU Commission would like to hereby categorically state that it is not supporting any one individual or organization in this bid."

If you were reviewing this statement as part of an evaluation, what would you take from that statement? Perhaps that you need to ask the AUC to state clearly and explicitly whether it support one, or both or neither of the bids for .africa.

Which is exactly what the "independent experts" InterConnect suggested. And were then overruled by ICANN's exec team.

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2015 3:00 PM PDT by Kieren McCarthy

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RE: Out of .Africa - Process Failures Don't Change the Facts (Rubens Kuhl) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9063.10912 2015-07-31T14:44:08-08:00 Rubens Kuhl UNECA never received delegation to represent African countries regarding .africa, so I understand why AUC might be questioned, but UNECA for sure doesn't have proxy authority here.

Considering UNECA rejected DCA in public comments when they thought it applied to .dotafrica as a countermeasure, it seems the UNECA endorsement is outdated just the AUC one also was:
https://gtldcomment.icann.org/comments-feedback/applicationcomment/commentdetails/6481

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2015 2:44 PM PDT by Rubens Kuhl

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RE: Out of .Africa - Process Failures Don't Change the Facts (I Lampeka) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9063.10911 2015-07-31T14:39:03-08:00 I Lampeka That withdrawal letter has always been a subject of dispute between DCA and AUC.  It was dismissed as a letter of act of sabotage by DCA's detractors to assist them to block DCA from getting further African Government endorsements.  It was learned that the Chairman's office could never confirm it at the time. 

Besides, AUC endorsement alone is not a qualifying criteria, should that matter. DCA has the endorsement of the UNECA.  Perhaps under the new 360 degree rule change of ICANN to assist ZACR, I can see that to be a possible dis/qualifying criteria!

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2015 2:39 PM PDT by I Lampeka

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RE: Out of .Africa - Process Failures Don't Change the Facts (Kevin Murphy) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9063.10910 2015-07-31T14:04:46-08:00 Kevin Murphy The AUC explicitly retracted its endorsement of DCA in 2011.

http://www.au.int/en/content/africa-union-commission-clarification-dot-africa

Did nobody think to mention this to ICANN or InterConnect?

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2015 2:04 PM PDT by Kevin Murphy

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RE: Out of .Africa - Process Failures Don't Change the Facts (Kieren McCarthy) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9063.10909 2015-07-31T13:34:13-08:00 Kieren McCarthy I went into this issue in some detail in my follow-up story: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/24/icann_dot_africa/

Basically, the endorsements for the ZACR bid from African countries did not meet the criteria in the applicant guidebook.

Now, whether this means that they simply didn't know what they had to say (as AUC/ZACR would not doubt argue), or whether the countries were not actually supporting ZACR's bid but the general notion of a '.africa' top-level domain (as DCA would no doubt argue) - that is something that the evaluators may need to look at.

What happened was that the evaluators suggested that going back to 30+ governments and asking them to send new, clearer letters was probably not the best approach. So they argued instead that the AUC be accepted as representative - that way you only have to deal with one entity to pass the bid.

When it came to the fact that both the ZACR and DCA claimed to have support from the AUC, the evaluators suggested that they go to the AUC and ask definitely who they support: whether one or the other, or both, or neither.

ICANN stepped on that plan - you can speculate as to why - and told its "independent" experts to go to the applicants themselves and get new letters from the AUC.

But then the ICANN Board took the GAC advice and eliminated the DCA bid: something that the review panel said was the wrong thing to do as the Board failed to do any real due diligence around the advice and failed to let DCA be heard in the process.

Once DCA was out of the process (at least to ICANN's mind), ICANN then changed its mind re: getting the applicant to go to the AUC direct and instead ICANN staff drew up a letter which they then sent the AUC. The AUC sent it back to ICANN (with some changes that were most likely drafted by ZACR) and ICANN told its evaluators to approve the '.africa' ZACR bid on the back of it.

So… after all of that…

Sophia is in fact perfectly correct when she says that individual governments did not properly endorse the ZACR bid. Those letters of support were never rewritten to meet the appropriate criteria. Instead the AUC's letter was taken as representative of the countries.

Hope that clears things up.

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2015 1:34 PM PDT by Kieren McCarthy

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RE: Out of .Africa - Process Failures Don't Change the Facts (Kevin Murphy) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9063.10908 2015-07-31T13:14:01-08:00 Kevin Murphy ZACR has a legal Registry Agreement with ICANN. It doesn't get any more "approved" than that.

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2015 1:14 PM PDT by Kevin Murphy

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RE: Out of .Africa - Process Failures Don't Change the Facts (Rubens Kuhl) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9063.10907 2015-07-31T13:08:34-08:00 Rubens Kuhl As you mention, only the treatment of DCA application was put in question by the IRP panel.
As for the alleged ghost writing, this happened for all geo applicants, and would have been done to DCA's as well. I was in charge of one of such geo letters for an uncontested geo application, also have received clarifying question in that regard… since the city itself was the applicant it was quite clear that the endorsement was there, and even so I got a similar letter, city mayor signed it and the application moved forward. ICANN, AUC and ZACR can present all geo registries as witnesses to that regard, if that was the point (hint: it wasn't).

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2015 1:08 PM PDT by Rubens Kuhl

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RE: Out of .Africa - Process Failures Don't Change the Facts (I Lampeka) tag:circleid.com,2015:comments/1.9063.10906 2015-07-31T12:55:42-08:00 I Lampeka I believe the article does not say the “IRP declaration” established, it refers to the process "DCA vs ICANN IRP".  I would think the final declaration would be based on over a year and half deliberation of the a series of document discovery and witness testimony process that the IRP panel ruled on and that which DCA prevailed in.

The article does mention the ghost writing of the letter by ICANN staff which is enough reason to establish the requisite endorsement.  It matters not that the IRP panel rules over a specific endorsement over ZACR or DCA or any other issue that may have came out in the IRP discovery process or witness testimony.  The panel in making their overall decision over the IRP matters have stated that ICANN has broken its bylaws and article of incorporation in the treatment of DCA’s application. 

ICANN is free to interpret it to their liking and see if their decision prevail again.

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2015 12:55 PM PDT by I Lampeka

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